How Have XC Bikes Changed? | Modern Vs Retro XC Edition

How Have XC Bikes Changed? | Modern Vs Retro XC Edition

Mountain bikes have come a long way in recent years, with longer, slacker, lower frame geometries allowing riders to push their bikes further & further, but just how far have XC bikes come and have the XC bikes of today left the old bikes for dust!? Join Rich Payne and Si from @gcn to find out! 🎬

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  1. All Gear No Idea on April 10, 2023 at 7:37 am

    I have a Yeti ASR from about 2000 stashed away. It’s a death trap on modern trails compared to any modern bike. It was scary as hell even compared to when I was riding a Salsa Mamasita in about 2011.

  2. Derek Foreal on April 10, 2023 at 7:38 am

    Collaborations are always welcomed.

  3. Ikreisrond on April 10, 2023 at 7:39 am

    Bought my 2nd MTB in 2001 and boy, did it have suspension! It was one of the first Gary Fisher 29’er SuperCaliber’s in my country. Yes, that’s Gary Fisher and not Trek. I remember their website had some animations on 29’er vs 26, among which one of them with a cute bear. They were quite ahead of their time I would say. It also made me bike around quite quickly through the woods in my region. Some 23 – 24 km/h on average in a flat area with only some minor bumps which we call ‘hills’. Cruising speed when not going up was around 27-28 km/h on the trails.

    Nowadays I’ve got my gravel bike and I would be more or less able to do the same, perhaps even faster… (If I would not have had a few injuries 10 – 15 years ago.) It feels like cycling on skinny tyres and without the suspension it surely becomes tiring much faster. Maybe age helps with that feeling, too… Most importantly though, we’re having fun!

    My youngest MTB is from 2013 and more or less a copy of the 2001 SuperCaliber, although with a tad shorter geo. Last year the front wheel got a giant dent in it, because I was steering around a puddle. I’ve sort of retired it and now my bikepacking bike has become my “MTB”. Technically I can still ride the same terrain, albeit with less speed and comfort. But with just as much fun!

  4. Tr4nnel on April 10, 2023 at 7:39 am

    I like that they compare something like a 15 year old bike. Makes it way more relevant than stuff from the 90’s.They should have found a top-end bike from then though.

  5. bri w on April 10, 2023 at 7:41 am

    unfair, at least drop the seat a bit

  6. Randy Hale on April 10, 2023 at 7:41 am

    How about vintage hardtail against a Modern hardtail?

  7. BoBo The rice farmer on April 10, 2023 at 7:44 am

    Lighter more aero and way more expensive

  8. Karel Gevaert on April 10, 2023 at 7:45 am

    More of this please! Full GCN and GMBN crew perhaps?

  9. Drew Felix on April 10, 2023 at 7:47 am

    Ok, GMBN on a gravel bike, GCN on a downhill bike

  10. R.T. L on April 10, 2023 at 7:47 am

    1996 was the first “rear suspension” bike atop a world championship podium. Thomas Frischknecht on the Ritchey Softtail in Cairns, Australia. Only recognized as such after Jerome Chiotti gave up his gold medal after admitting to being on EPO for the race.

  11. Nico on April 10, 2023 at 7:48 am

    Come on make the full lap time public. I bet SI was faster

  12. Christian Schneider on April 10, 2023 at 7:49 am

    Loved every minute of it. We all knew that Si would go slower without proper bar ends. I still have the top of the range Scandium Scott from around the same age as used by Thomas Frischknecht back in the day. If you want to rematch during the festival, let me know. A 26“ MTB might be the fastest option in the car park crit.

  13. gamby16a on April 10, 2023 at 7:53 am

    I still ride a 2005 full suspension Decathlon Rockrider 9.1 (with a bunch of upgrades) and I keep up on group rides just fine.

  14. Mansell5Senna8 5 on April 10, 2023 at 7:53 am

    FS vs HT is going to make the biggest difference, I am so much quicker on my FS vs my HT. To give you an idea it was going from the back or mid pack of a large weekly 40 rider group ride to front of the pack or leading some sections. Dont get me wrong there are guys using HT in the front groups but I struggle to keep up on a HT, mainly the traction over bumps and comfort factor.

  15. Erlend Sæteren on April 10, 2023 at 7:54 am

    The new bike is fantastic trail-bike, and I think the old one is less trail and more gravelbike.

  16. Tobbe Lindquist on April 10, 2023 at 7:54 am

    Si do have a point, easy stuff I used to love riding on my hardtail 1988 is still fun on my gravel bike and the gnarly stuff I really enjoy on my enduro bike would not be possible on the 1988 XC bike.

  17. Simon Bainbridge on April 10, 2023 at 7:55 am

    It’s not that much of an old school mountain bike as it is still fairly modern in style.
    Old school bike would be 26 inch wheel with a straighter top tube.

  18. Erkan K on April 10, 2023 at 7:56 am

    They are more Downhill than XC bikes

  19. Keith Crymble on April 10, 2023 at 7:56 am

    I’ve a 1993 Scott Team Racing, steel, 3×7, Scott integrated barends, fully rigid sitting in the garage waiting for your next test 😁

  20. Radioinactiv on April 10, 2023 at 8:00 am

    I really enjoy these crossover videos with GMBNxGCN. Not only due to the high quality of the content and the interesting chemistry between the different presenters but also because they help spark interest in different cycling disciplines for people who may not have otherwise been exposed to or chose to watch one of the other Global Cycling channels. Thanks for all the entertaining content, keep up the great work!

  21. John Lesoudeur on April 10, 2023 at 8:00 am

    A better discussion than I thought it would be. I think that a roady will drift to a gravel bike and an MTB rider go to a hardtail for less demanding trails.

  22. Kimo Armstrong on April 10, 2023 at 8:01 am

    Love these crossover episodes! Like Anna and Mannon sand racing.

  23. miles smith on April 10, 2023 at 8:04 am

    All black Castelli gear when hi viz options exist from the same clothing sponsor – road riders copy these GCM guy’s 🥺

  24. AFAN_LEOR on April 10, 2023 at 8:04 am

    Let’s ridding❤😂🙏👋

  25. Mathieu Fiore on April 10, 2023 at 8:05 am

    Could you just tell me the name of the trail that u’re riding and where is it located? Thanks a lot

  26. jon quinlivan on April 10, 2023 at 8:05 am

    Si needs to come back and do an Enduro race with Rich now that would be awesome. Please bring GCN back for a race on equal bikes

  27. Ben on April 10, 2023 at 8:06 am

    Still on my 09 FSR XC, Wife on her Myka, just refurbished a 08 Rocky Mountain ETSX with Fox Talas 32 and Float RL for my 10yo (£180 eBay + 1x drivetrain, headset, paint, contact points and Racing Ralphs).

    The old ones are still golden.

  28. Tomislav Krsic on April 10, 2023 at 8:12 am

    Love this video, very nice challenge🎉 also i love XC bikes, I live in cit and XC bike for commuting is must have for long terms

  29. John Crouch on April 10, 2023 at 8:13 am

    We had those narrow bars bc trails were also narrower. They’re are still trails around me where handlebars get caught frequently

  30. voladel on April 10, 2023 at 8:14 am

    Needs 80mm Sids, 1.8 mm tyres and bar ends for the full effect

  31. Orku5 on April 10, 2023 at 8:15 am

    I always enjoy this crossover videos, be it GCN or GMBN. 15 to 20 yrs ago i got the feeling there was quite a rivality between mtb and roadies but in the recent years all the people I meet tend to be into both, just like me.
    When going into the road i generally do around 60+ km and when going mountain biking i do often less but go up and down at bike parks and having a good time.

  32. Jon Falkingham on April 10, 2023 at 8:16 am

    If it ain’t got a quill stem, it ain’t retro!

  33. Nick Owens on April 10, 2023 at 8:19 am

    Heck yeah. More GCN/GMBN crossovers.

  34. Kunz World on April 10, 2023 at 8:20 am

    I want a test where you take the same bikes, but give the old one a dropper seat post and more modern tires. I would be interesting to see how much difference that would make.

  35. Hotrodanimal on April 10, 2023 at 8:20 am

    that was entertaining

  36. 1979 MUTP on April 10, 2023 at 8:22 am

    Swap those straight bars with a gravel bar and some gravel type tires on that old geometry hard tail and it will look like and feel like a gravel bike. Dont sell your old hard tails guys. There is still a lot of fun in building and riding those things.

  37. Andrew Johnson on April 10, 2023 at 8:23 am

    Wonderful video guys.

  38. Clark Lowe on April 10, 2023 at 8:23 am

    Would love to see then try and ride a real late 90’s MTB on these trails. Mag21, narrow bars, 3x, and 2.0 tires. Love to see the younger crowd struggle.

  39. mighty warrior on April 10, 2023 at 8:24 am

    Thanx, I’ve found this channel. It’s so entertaining for me. I love it.

  40. Rich Crompton on April 10, 2023 at 8:24 am

    So basically, my 2009 Cube hardtail is a gravel bike?! I suppose I’d better grow a beard then!

  41. miýwêýihtâkosiw Mahihkan on April 10, 2023 at 8:26 am

    I recall having one of them motorcross spring suspension single speed bikes in the 1980’ me that is retro cross country.

  42. Old Man Cycling on April 10, 2023 at 8:28 am

    How can you call that a retro mt bike, it has disc brakes. Mt retro mt bike is from 1994 and is awesome

  43. goodeggnogg on April 10, 2023 at 8:29 am

    XC racing should be Hardtail only!

  44. Wang on April 10, 2023 at 8:30 am

    I bet Absalon can still rip on that 26

  45. lordleo bantolo on April 10, 2023 at 8:30 am

    We all feel like Rich on our bikes but really we all look like Si.

  46. Henry James on April 10, 2023 at 8:32 am

    My dad XC raced a no suspension Trek in 1991. I recently revived it as a commuter bike with fat road tyres and it rides brilliantly. Most of the components are original. 3by and bullhorn bars were an education for me though!

  47. Jonah Valler on April 10, 2023 at 8:32 am

    If it has 26” wheels it’s retro lol.

  48. Neil McMahon on April 10, 2023 at 8:32 am


  49. David Williams on April 10, 2023 at 8:35 am

    Love the XC content and mix of GMBN and GCN. Modern XC bikes are starting to look very tempting!

  50. Scott Cowan on April 10, 2023 at 8:37 am

    I’m gonna ride my Scott Scale 40 to work tomorrow….